{"id":451,"date":"2013-11-01T10:48:46","date_gmt":"2013-11-01T10:48:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eyrelines.energion.net\/?p=451"},"modified":"2013-12-08T11:12:12","modified_gmt":"2013-12-08T11:12:12","slug":"say-one-for-me","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eyrelines.energion.net\/?p=451","title":{"rendered":"Say one for me"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Every so often when I mention to one of my friends who is not religious that I’m going to church, they say “Say one for me”.<\/p>\n

And, of course, I do, though I have serious reservations about any form of petitionary prayer which is not aimed squarely at receiving some form of enhanced consciousness for myself – for instance “Come, Holy Spirit” or “Please Lord, help me understand this!”.<\/p>\n

The thing is, it seems to me they’re asking me to have a personal relationship with God on their behalf, to function, if you like, as a kind of priest. To intercede, to use my connection on their behalf, to capitalise on my (seriously faulty) piety to make up for their own lack of it.<\/p>\n

Which would be absolutely fine in my eyes if I thought there was the slightest chance that it would work. But I don’t. A personal relationship means that there should be no need for an intervening third party (well, not most of the time, at any rate – I have some history of acting as an advocate and as a mediator, and don’t underestimate the value of those roles, but they apply only when there’s a serious problem which needs to be resolved, and it’s generally essential that the person I represent be present…)<\/p>\n

It’s like asking someone else to do your Steps for you in a Twelve Step programme. You can help and encourage someone do them themselves, you can explain them, you can help dispel intellectual barriers to doing them, but you can’t actually do them for someone.<\/p>\n

The first times this happened to me were when I was between 19 and 22, and having worked hard for a few years following my initial “zap” experience, had developed a spiritual practice which seemed to encourage and facilitate frequent further experience of the presence of God and had developed a set of ideas as to how and why this worked. Animated by the kind of spirit which led to this blog post<\/a>, I was happy to share my conclusions with anyone who was interested in listening, while exploring all possible avenues as to how to improve my praxis and my understandings.<\/p>\n

The snag is, people kept expecting that I could somehow transfer my experience directly to them, that by hanging on my every word and by regarding me as a leader, somehow it would mean that they would have the same experience, without having had the same original experience or having done the hard work of developing the praxis. I could communicate the understandings just fine (although I was less successful in persuading people that these were provisional and interim understandings and that I was still working on improving them), but I could not pass on the consciousness of the presence of God except occasionally (erratically) and for very limited periods of time. I could tell them what my praxis was and had been<\/em><\/span> (as by then I had refined it to something very streamlined and minimalist), but as I knew it was building on an initial peak spiritual experience for which I had not worked in the slightest and for which I could propose no explanation (other than “grace” or “just one of those things”), I wasn’t confident that following the praxis would deliver them the same quality of experience (and by and large, my scepticism on that point seemed justified).<\/p>\n

I found I was being referred to by some as “the Guru of Castle” (“Castle” being the nickname for my college), and I didn’t want to be a guru. Not, at any rate, unless I could reliably induce a “zap” experience in someone, and probably not even then, as my understandings were so provisional. They also didn’t fit neatly into any one faith tradition at the time (some may argue that they still don’t 40 years later!), so becoming a functioning part of one of those was not an option; I’d have had to form my own variant faith, and I was entirely confident that I lacked the ability and assurance to do that. Besides that, God was definitely not calling me to do that! What I seemed called to do was to launch out into the “normal” world, with employment, house, mortgage, wife, family and, in some way, combine that with personal spirituality.<\/p>\n

[In case you’re wondering, my thinking at the time included elements of Christianity, Sufism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Paganism and Kabbalah. That may not be an exhaustive list!]<\/p>\n

It seems to me, though, that there’s a very widespread wish among people for others to be holy (or spiritual, or learned, or committed, or observant) on their behalf. I don’t particularly feel that, but neither do I feel that it’s my calling to do that for anyone else – well, perhaps apart from “learned” in a small way, doing the intellectual heavy lifting and helping provide some intellectual answers occasionally.<\/p>\n

So that brings me to my thinking about priests and other clergy. In this, I am definitely Protestant; I think the “priesthood of all believers” concept is vital. I don’t, in other words, think that having someone else act as intercessor for you is a valid concept except, perhaps, for a few special occasions. Thus, for instance, much as I may currently feel that Pope Francis is a person I could cheerfully follow, I couldn’t be Catholic, as he’s only the second pope during my lifetime who might fill that role. I’m not even really comfortable with the situation in the Anglican church, where only ordained clergy can perform the sacraments (though that’s something I swallow in favour of what has to be the broadest Church in existence). I don’t value the existence of monastic orders as, somehow, giving me vicarious sanctity if I support them, for instance.<\/p>\n

Of course, what I do value is a system which allows some people to specialise in theory and to provide newer and alternative understandings (and praxes), and also people who have perfected a praxis and can teach it to others. Someone who can act as an example of praxis is clearly desirable. I also value the possibility of, for a period, joining an intentional community which has a strong praxis and devotes it’s time to this; somewhere to go on retreat. This is how I see the main functions of clergy, including monastics.<\/p>\n

So, what do I think about “say one for me”? I recall Psalm 139:-
\nO Lord<\/span>, you have searched me and known me.<\/span>
\nYou know when I sit down and when I rise up;<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>you discern my thoughts from far away.<\/span><\/span>
\nYou search out my path and my lying down,<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>and are acquainted with all my ways.<\/span><\/span>
\nEven before a word is on my tongue,<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>O Lord<\/span>, you know it completely.<\/span><\/span>
\nYou hem me in, behind and before,<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>and lay your hand upon me.<\/span><\/span>
\nSuch knowledge is too wonderful for me;<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>it is so high that I cannot attain it.
\n<\/span><\/span>Where can I go from your spirit?<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Or where can I flee from your presence?<\/span><\/span>
\nIf I ascend to heaven, you are there;<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.<\/span><\/span>
\nIf I take the wings of the morning<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>and settle at the farthest limits of the sea,<\/span><\/span>
\neven there your hand shall lead me,<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>and your right hand shall hold me fast.<\/span><\/span>
\nIf I say, \u2018Surely the darkness shall cover me,<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>and the light around me become night\u2019,<\/span><\/span>
\neven the darkness is not dark to you;<\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>the night is as bright as the day,<\/span><\/span>
\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>for darkness is as light to you.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

If someone says to me “say one for me”, they have already said one for themselves. God is with them and knows their thoughts, even if they have no consciousness of that themselves.<\/p>\n

And I’ll put in a word or two for them as well.<\/p>\n

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