{"id":696,"date":"2015-02-05T10:11:06","date_gmt":"2015-02-05T10:11:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eyrelines.energion.net\/?p=696"},"modified":"2015-02-05T10:11:06","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T10:11:06","slug":"hell-no","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eyrelines.energion.net\/?p=696","title":{"rendered":"Hell, no&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Watching the third episode of the excellent &#8220;Wolf Hall&#8221; last night, (caution &#8211; spoilers below) I was struck by the statement of James Bainham, a barrister and enthusiastic reformer, while cataloging doctrines with which he did not agree, that he found no scriptural justification for the concept of purgatory.<\/p>\n<p>I use &#8220;enthusiastic&#8221; there with a double meaning: the usual one, and the uncomplimentary meaning understood by Wesley when he described people as &#8220;enthusiasts&#8221; &#8211; too much emotion, too much displayed, and not enough calm reason. Bainham is seen in the episode interrupting a reading of scripture in Latin at as church service by quoting the same text in English from his (banned at the time) copy of Tyndall&#8217;s translation. He ends up in jail for the second time in the episode, and is then burned alive.<\/p>\n<p>Ironically, a few years later Thomas Cranmer, seen at this point as supporting Bainham&#8217;s arrest, was himself imprisoned and eventually burned for his beliefs, which by then included all those avowed by Bainham. The regime had changed, and Henry VIII&#8217;s elder daughter Mary was imprisoning and burning protestants as her father&#8217;s and brother&#8217;s church had done to Catholics.<\/p>\n<p>I asked myself if I would have had the courage or foolhardiness to do as Bainham did. I not only don&#8217;t believe in Purgatory as not being supported by scripture, but I don&#8217;t believe in Hell as conventionally portrayed on exactly the same basis. To explain why would take a blog post of its own, but suffice it to say that whatever awaits us after death, everlasting torment is not a possibility I contemplate as being possible.<\/p>\n<p>I do, however, attend a church which is theologically conservative, and I don&#8217;t any more keep my mouth firmly sealed about what my views on this and a number of other doctrines on which I&#8217;m not exactly orthodox. However, I&#8217;m not noisy about it, and certainly wouldn&#8217;t interrupt a service. Nonetheless, I keep anticipating a request to go elsewhere, which is as far as I&#8217;d expect this church ever to go &#8211; a previous church did invite me to leave when under intense pressure I did actually share my views on a point of doctrine.<\/p>\n<p>Then, in one of those coincidences which part of my subconscious wants to tell me is divine action, a link appeared on my facebook feed describing the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thisamericanlife.org\/radio-archives\/episode\/304\/heretics\">case of Rev. Carlton Pearson<\/a>. A pentecostal minister, he found that his study of the Bible came to the same conclusion as mine, that there is no Hell-as-eternal-torment and that everyone, irrespective of beliefs, is saved. (I might mention here that I have some sympathy with the ideas of <a href=\"http:\/\/experimentaltheology.blogspot.co.uk\/2012\/05\/holiness-in-heaven-need-for-purgation.html\">Jerry Walls as described by Richard Beck<\/a>, who contemplates a purgatory-like state after death &#8211; Richard&#8217;s<a href=\"http:\/\/experimentaltheology.blogspot.co.uk\/2006\/11\/why-i-am-universalist-summing-up-and.html\"> whole series <\/a>on universal salvation is well worth a read). Rev. Pearson was roundly condemned by the pentecostal and evangelical authorities and lost over 90% of his then large congregation overnight. 500 years ago, I&#8217;ve no doubt he&#8217;d have been burned too. Of course, they don&#8217;t do that these days. Not, at any event, in the first world.<\/p>\n<p>He did, however, lose a lot &#8211; and I was heartened to learn that he hadn&#8217;t admitted error and returned to the fold, had persevered, and as at the time of that broadcast had a growing congregation again. I have less to lose &#8211; I would merely lose some friends and the opportunity to be of service. That, I think, would not be sufficient to make me recant &#8211; as Cranmer initially did, though he famously withdrew his recantation on learning that he was not going to be pardoned anyhow.<\/p>\n<p>No, I think I can do no other than state that the concept of a God who would ordain and maintain a place of eternal agony into which you could fall merely for having the wrong intellectual concept is not one which resembles in the slightest the God whom I experience. I think it&#8217;s a wrong, damaging and anti-scriptural concept.<\/p>\n<p>But of course, no-one is going to be condemned to flames in this world or the next for thinking otherwise&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Watching the third episode of the excellent &#8220;Wolf Hall&#8221; last night, (caution &#8211; spoilers below) I was struck by the statement of James Bainham, a barrister and enthusiastic reformer, while cataloging doctrines with which he did not agree, that he found no scriptural justification for the concept of purgatory. 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